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| BobDBA |
Posted - 10/23/2008 : 09:34:22
I have mixed feelings on this topic. Personally I am against bootcamps because I see them as being nothing more than organized cram sessions. I feel that 'cramming' for an exam means that the person doesn't thoroughly understand the topic... all they're doing is trying to learn the answers to the questions so they can 'certify'...and I think those motives are wrong.
Where I have mixed feelings on this is when it involves someone who has been in the industry say 10 or 15 years. One thought is... if you have been around that long and still have to utilize an organized cram session to pass an exam you have bigger problems. The other thought is.. I 'could' see a multi-day class being nice for someone who does thoroughly understand the topic so they can prepare for the exam, but not relying on the class itself to squeak by the exam if that makes sense.
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| Jlee |
Posted - 05/27/2011 : 08:02:56
"...but you still need experience before registering."
That seems pretty common these days, that you need experience before you take a class to get job, to get experience. It's a which came first scenario, you need experience to get a decent job -or even education apparently-but you can't get jobs or education without the experience! |
| CharlesPless |
Posted - 04/07/2011 : 12:07:21
I posted a topic discussion about this in another thread but appreciate the comments here, right along the same lines of what i was thinknig and exactly why i was hesitant to use this form of learning. |
| CertGuard |
Posted - 10/24/2008 : 06:43:27
Oh yeah, it's still a ton of work. Nothing that I'll be ready for any time soon anyways  |
| BosonMichael |
Posted - 10/23/2008 : 21:31:55
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Originally posted by CertGuard
There are, however, classroom environments that classify themselves as bootcamps which have 21, 30, or even 45 day course that will prepare you for the MCSE. Those, I would imagine aren't too stressful, but you still need experience before registering.
Think again... that's *7* exams in the span of 45 days... more than one a week. Yikes! |
| CertGuard |
Posted - 10/23/2008 : 18:17:49
I agree with you Bob, when I hear the word bootcamp, I think of my old CC getting in my face and yelling "YOU DON'T SCARE ME!!!" But that's really not how all of these IT bootcamps are. Something I've realized in my research here is that there are different levels and different types of "bootcamps". Sure, there are the bootcamps that prepare you for the MCSE in 7 days, or 5 days, or I think I even saw one that was a 3 Day course for the MCSE. Let me tell you, if you aren't a veteran in the industry with at least 20 years under your belt, or a PH.D in computer science with the memory of an elephant, your best bet is to avoid those like the plague. From what I understand, most people that enter those classes are being rushed to do so by an employer, but not always.
There are, however, classroom environments that classify themselves as bootcamps which have 21, 30, or even 45 day course that will prepare you for the MCSE. Those, I would imagine aren't too stressful, but you still need experience before registering.
Regardless of the type of bootcamp, the materials they provide you probably won't be known until you register, or even begin class. |
| BobDBA |
Posted - 10/23/2008 : 15:43:48
When I hear the word bootcamp my eyeballs begin to twitch and I start looking over my shoulder for a DI, I just think of someone "cramming" like I said earlier and to me that just doesn't make sense. The person needs to know the topic. They don't have to be an authoritative expert... but they should have competency. Cramming a way through a bootcamp and passing an exam to me proves nothing other than short term memory is still a skill everyone has  So what! |
| BosonMichael |
Posted - 10/23/2008 : 15:33:22
Well... even if you've been in the industry for several years, you still may have not been exposed to several aspects that you'll be tested on. For example, what if you've administered tons of internal EIGRP networks, but never administered a BGP one for an ISP? Or what if you've done many wireless implementations but no VoIP?
That said... all that information CAN be gained through simple self-study methods... you don't NEED a class for it.
In truth, my feelings are much like yours - mixed - mostly because many "bootcamp" providers will use any means possible (including braindumps) to help their students pass just so they (the teachers and/or the training center) look good. |
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